OK, I am not really mad as I should be

Seriously. Here's the short story with a question.
I have a rather large section dedicated to Reggae and Dub-Reggae music and culture with various designs there.
Now I received notification eMail from CP regarding CUP. So I've checked my designs and have found that a design with "simply" word "DUB" in traditional Yellow/Green/Red colors went "highlighted red" and the products went "pending".

So I am just curious, which corporation is in charge of the word "DUB" now. Who is that self-proclaimed "master" (backed by "The Law", but of course ) ?

Any thoughts or pointers? Please.

/thank You in advance

/respects

You can search www.USPTO.gov yourself and check.

There are several it could be with goods and services including clothing, license plate frames, drinkware, etc.

I have several automotive-parts manufacturer's tshirts from a company called DUB. It could have been them or any one of several others.

Just run a trademark search, use the basic search and type "DUB" - you'll get quite a few results (live and dead) to review.

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...type "DUB" - you'll get quite a few results (live and dead) to review.

Yeah. I know there'll be no Lee Perry listed as 'alive' nor King Tubby as 'dead' there in the "list of masters".

arghhhhhhhhh, anyway. Thank you for reply, appreciated.
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Now, do I HAVE to actually delete the "design in red" or can I just leave it ignored? I do not want to cause any potential problems for CP, but I really don't want to waste time on this nonsens either.
I'll let them choke themself with their ugly Auto-Parts and what-not slave-labour "products" all the dirty cash they soooooooo worry about.
But if it's better for CP, I'll spend time deleteing.

I am not going to "fight" over this crap. This "Governing System" is going down on itsown, baby, shame and shame again on people who are willing to enslave themselves in order to obtain illusional sense of security of their "intellect"! -SHAME!
That's all I can say.

/respects

Ummm... you might want to read up on trademarks and copyright if you're going to be in the business of selling merchandise with words on them.

"Live" or "Dead" has nothing to do with the person, just the status of the trademark.

I'm thinking about starting a shop where I sell "MZElectroArts" and "MZEntertainment" logo gear. I also would like to start some music projects and I think I'll just use yours if that's OK. Would you have a problem with that?

lol


...oh, and "dead" doesn't necessarily mean it's up for grabs, either.

This isn't just about Cafepress - your battle may have to begin with International Copyright and Trademark law. It's not CP's fault they follow the law.

Besides - if you've never been sued consider yourself lucky. There are a few shopkeepers here that would give anything to turn back the hands of time and get 'un-sued' if given a chance and they have an entirely new attitude about what CUP does.

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Originally posted by Teesed:
Ummm... you might want to read up on trademarks and copyright if you're going to be in the business of selling merchandise with words on them.

"Live" or "Dead" has nothing to do with the person, just the status of the trademark.

I'm thinking about starting a shop where I sell "MZElectroArts" and "MZEntertainment" logo gear. I also would like to start some music projects and I think I'll just use yours if that's OK. Would you have a problem with that?

Are you really a moderator here? I guess you are.

First of all I do understand what "live" and "dead" means as "status of the trademark".
My allegorical reference to a 'live and a 'dead' founders of DUD as musical and cultural fenomenum (a fenomenum, that was around long before some "Genius" entrepreneur attached his ugly-"TM" to it) has a MEANING.

Second your refernce to ""MZEntertainment" logo" is lame. I know what "copyright" is pretty well. I don't need to get "educated" here. So thanks for nothing. No hard feelings, my dear friend. It's just that I found your reply being unprofessional and I have to make a note of it.

But since you've made your "LOL-lish" post to amuse a viwer, here is my reply to you:
Teesed, You may "think" of starting a "company" by the name "REGGAE" and make sure to register with the "office". And then start "fishing around" for infringements of your "rights". Good luck.
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Now, guys, I have to say, that I am really sorry I've expressed here my "fellings" about this specific situation.
I gotta get out here, as I understand that this is not the right place for such discussions .
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BUT! I still have a serious question:
DO I NEED TO DELETE the "red-highlighted" designs or all my "DUB-word containing"-designs from "images" in my account to stay out of "trouble"? Or does it even matter for CaffePress.? CP eMail note was not clear about this.

/thanks in advanced

/respects

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Originally posted by Blipfish:
lol
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Yeah, that was "funny". Glad you had a nice laughter.

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Originally posted by Blipfish:
...they have an entirely new attitude about what CUP does.

Good to know about what attitude "they" now have about what CUP does.
I have my attitude about it.
My attitude was and is: I have no problem at all with what CP CUP does and how it does it. I did NOT express my attitude toward CUP.
I've expressed my "attitude" toward TM's nonsense, which has nothing to do with CP nor CUP. But I admit, that this forum may be not the right place to do so. It's my headache, not CP's nor its users'.

/later

There are plenty of people that don't know about trademark or copyright and don't care to learn about it.

Just trying to make a point and help you out at the same time. Since there was nothing like a wink or some other point to inform people that your reference to live or dead was "allegorical" I thought it best to make sure you were aware of what the terms meant. But since you're clearly versed in these subjects, I can see no education is needed.

You do not need to delete the images. In fact, if you can demonstrate why your use should be allowed (there are exceptions and situations which may allow your use), you can reply to the CUP email and they may "un-red box" the images.

double post

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Originally posted by MZE:

quote:

Originally posted by Teesed:
There are plenty of people that don't know about trademark or copyright and don't care to learn about it. .

I know that, I guess that's a given
May I say, that there are plenty of ignorant people who sign "things" into the law. ? - and so here comes my "wink" - And those folks need to make a living too. And so here comes my "fee" -


Teesed , again, no hard feelings or anything of that nature. I also understand all the shortcomings of b-board conversations. B-boards are perfect breeding ground for misunderstanding.

Also, thank You for clearing up your point and for the info regarding deleting "designs in question".
I've deleted single word "DUB" design, just in case. No need to get a headache not to mention "fighting" over it.

But the whole "situation" sure did make me miserable for a day

/respects

Totally - no intentions of giving you a hard time. It's just hard to know (or risk assuming) what a person does/doesn't know or what a person may require/not require for extra info.

So, as moderators we come across a lot of material we try to give as much as we can. We're accustomed to the first question and the invariable second and third questions that often follow - so we try to cut to the chase and just give what we think is pertinent rather than leave important information hanging.

"lol" can also be understood to be a lighthearted tone in voice - when one is forced to have a conversation in writing.

I think understanding works both ways and we're only trying to help.

Yes...the fish means no harm

But I must say...that's an AWESOME store with a super layout!

Are you in the marketplace? Can you be affiliated???

Hugs
Susan

I don't know about all the rest of the items or companies that you're talking about, but DUB is the name of a magazine. Maybe that's why?

It could be that if you combine that word with something like a record player or other thing that helps demonstrate it's not the trademark of a company that owns the mark for shirts, you could use it. Lots of variables involved, but a word itself is the hardest to demonstrate it's not about the trademark.

If I just put the word "apple" on a shirt, it'll probably get yanked. If I do a capital "A" in a large colorful children's font and follow it by lowercase "pple" in a children's font and put an image of an apple with a worm coming out, that clearly isn't associated with either Apple Computers or the recording label. Could it be CUPd? yup. But I'd have a decent case to get it reinstated.

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Originally posted by Teesed:
....an image of an apple with a worm coming out, that clearly isn't associated with ... Apple Computers....

May I strongly disagree with such assertion Not only this can be viewed as a direct reference to the "Industry Giant", but also may be viewed as intentional misrepresentation of its product quality.

The good news is that a man still free to put an Apple on a t-shirt as long as he does not bite it first.

ah, anyhow, with all seriousness, thanks again for replies. I just have to take this whole incident with as much humor as I can. There's no other way for me to deal with this. But, again, I really don't think this is the right place for "general philosophical rants" on the subject.

God help us all.

/best regards
/respects